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Tamas Ibolya's avatar

Dear Professor Milanovic,

Thank you, this is is such a crucial topic. With due respect, I think your reading of Marx on this crucial point may be partly misplaced. The core of Marx's thinking on this is that capitalist "work" is not transhistorical (as neither is the commodity form). It is not "labor as such". It is a phenomenon of the commodity-producing economy, that is, labor measured by socially average labor time expenditure. This form of labor (also as abstract labor) is not to be brought to victory, but to be transcended. As you point out, Marx did indeed emphasize man as Homo Faber. He emphasized the all-round self-actualization of Man is his unique species-being, but shows that this self-actualization becomes alienated in a historically constituted form of production which reverses subject and object, and makes man a cog of the meta-machine. He posits that capitalism's technological advances create the ground for the reduction of "labor-time labor" to a minimum (though man's struggle with nature never ends), and create the possibility of a relatively leisurly, free and creative life. All the contradictions we see with AI is exactly what Marx conceptualized as the inevitable self-contradiction of bourgeois economy. Through the ever-improving application of science and technology it points to beyond itself, but never gets there beacuse its aim is to appropriate value which is a historically specific form of wealth measured by time. As he wrote: "Capital itself is the moving contradiction [in] that it presses to reduce labour time to a minimum, while it posits labour time, on the other side, as sole measure and source of wealth." Again, thank you for your post.

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Prof Branko,

1. It's wrong to club Chinese and Indian workers together because both are vastly different systems. In India, the toil is totally worthless as India is highly inefficient and unproductive economy where 50% of its workforce is burnt in furnace of rural farm sector which produces very little. The manufacturing and service sector of India is stagnant, backward & unproductive.

China is a different case where manufacturing and cutting edge sectors are rising are workers are productive and efficient.

2. Merz is wrong about China. Merz solution for Europe is DOGE-ing Europe with mass deregulation and reduction of State bureaucracy but this is not the source of problem with Europe in the first place. The problem with Europe is its Neoliberal design which has needlessly paralyzed & constrained itself with deficit limits & austerity doctrine. Moreover, the industrial policy of China is structurally deep because of Chinese State intervention on such a great scale. A market economy & especially of Neoliberal type like Germany cannot match or compete with such powerful industrial policy.

If you recall, the Europe recently had its lost decade after GFC which was mostly due to foolish austerity policy on Southern Periphery. In a Macro system (currency union), a demand deficiency on one side will impact production on the other side. The useless austerity policies as preached by Germans in Europe not only undermined economies of the South (Greece was totally ruined) but it also impacted rich western Nations who supplied goods & services to South.

2. The problem is not work hours. We must remember that although Socialism had complacency starting in its stagnant phase which began in late 1970s, this is not the case in Europe of present. Europe is MARKET ECONOMY, not a socialist one like USSR or Comecon States. The leisure days of European labour is not due to complacency of government but a natural result of labor-Capital relations in a market economy. In theory of markets, if the firms have declining profits, the flexibility market will re-adjust the work-leisure relationship to align with better efficiency.

3. Problem with Neoliberals like Merz & Eurogarchs is that they have a hammer & every problem is a nail. They can only think of economic problems from Neoliberal perspective - unemployment is due to lack of efficiency and laziness of labor, stagnation is due to burdensome regulations, solution to economic problems is more Neoliberal kool-aid.

In modern era where sophisticated automation will dictate production in so many sectors, the TOIL of worker is a worthless thing. Less work and more education & learning will be feature of modern societies, not 70 hours work week on menial jobs. India is a prime example of how worthless TOIL is where majority of population work for long hours in technologically inferior farm sector but produces very little in comparison to other nations.

4. Rapidly moving China also has problems. The technology is deployed at such a rapid pace - the self driving vehicles, new industrial robots & automation etc. That's translating into unemployment & especially youth unemployment. This is not a bad thing per se as youth now needs to spend more time in higher learning. But this underscores the changing economic trends where quality of labour is preferred over quantity of labour.

The bottom line is that leisure is not a bad thing for labour in a MARKET ECONOMY for markets can adjust when necessary. The problem with Socialism was that there was no adjustment mechanism for labour markets in central command economy which was overwhelmingly dedicated to keeping its promises of good life even when their economies were stagnating.

So Europe should be spared from advice of Neoliberals like Merz.

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